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		<title>Comment on Second Life:  Failure Waiting to Happen by Scott Diener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Diener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, as is Amazon with their AWS capabilities for scaling.  The OpenSim sever looks/acts identical to Second Life, and is likely to establish the distributed server space to which you refer.  IBM is championing this...take note of their amazing OpenSim development - www.beyondspaceandtime.org.

Time will tell about the different marketing strategies (closed or open source)....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, as is Amazon with their AWS capabilities for scaling.  The OpenSim sever looks/acts identical to Second Life, and is likely to establish the distributed server space to which you refer.  IBM is championing this&#8230;take note of their amazing OpenSim development &#8211; <a href="http://www.beyondspaceandtime.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.beyondspaceandtime.org</a>.</p>
<p>Time will tell about the different marketing strategies (closed or open source)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Second Life:  Failure Waiting to Happen by brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose not; google for example could be argued to be essentially a &#039;centralized platform&#039; for many things at this point and it does quite well -- it probably makes a bit more $ than Linden Labs does though. I thought that the whole point of Open Croquet was that essentially distributed in a kind of peer-to-peer model -- which is more scalable as more people are added to the grid? I always thought that Linden Labs should have Open Sourced the server -- that way we could have had SL servers running all over the place to run the thing and Linded Labs would have still had the first mover advantage and been able to capitalize on this .. instead they&#039;ve kept it mostly behind closed doors and i&#039;d be surprised if they make it in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose not; google for example could be argued to be essentially a &#8216;centralized platform&#8217; for many things at this point and it does quite well &#8212; it probably makes a bit more $ than Linden Labs does though. I thought that the whole point of Open Croquet was that essentially distributed in a kind of peer-to-peer model &#8212; which is more scalable as more people are added to the grid? I always thought that Linden Labs should have Open Sourced the server &#8212; that way we could have had SL servers running all over the place to run the thing and Linded Labs would have still had the first mover advantage and been able to capitalize on this .. instead they&#8217;ve kept it mostly behind closed doors and i&#8217;d be surprised if they make it in the long run.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Second Life:  Failure Waiting to Happen by Scott Diener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Diener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you have often &quot;told me so&quot;.  But objectively, not all centralised platforms suffer from this (see Croquet Consortium).  Our OpenSim collaboration with Otago, Canterbury and Telecom is probably more to the issue that you are addressing, however.  This National Virtual World Grid project utilises the OpenSim platform and the Second Life viewer. And I&#039;ve already tested &quot;teleporting&quot; between these platforms. Slow progress, but promising.

Nonetheless, I admit that I agree with the underlying premiss you suggest here.  Dang, I hate having to do that.  :-) .  Warmest regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you have often &#8220;told me so&#8221;.  But objectively, not all centralised platforms suffer from this (see Croquet Consortium).  Our OpenSim collaboration with Otago, Canterbury and Telecom is probably more to the issue that you are addressing, however.  This National Virtual World Grid project utilises the OpenSim platform and the Second Life viewer. And I&#8217;ve already tested &#8220;teleporting&#8221; between these platforms. Slow progress, but promising.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I admit that I agree with the underlying premiss you suggest here.  Dang, I hate having to do that.  <img src='http://scottdiener.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  .  Warmest regards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Second Life:  Failure Waiting to Happen by brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... i hate to say I told you so, but &quot;I told you so.&quot; Any centralized &quot;platform&quot; is always going to suffer from these kind of scalability issues if it really takes off. Where Linden Labs made a huge mistake in my opinion was in gratuitously pandering to the Open Source bandwagon by Open Sourcing the client! What they should have done was Open Sourced the server. That way we could have had Virtual Worlds distributed across servers all over the place ... umm... much like ... oh yea! the ineternet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; i hate to say I told you so, but &#8220;I told you so.&#8221; Any centralized &#8220;platform&#8221; is always going to suffer from these kind of scalability issues if it really takes off. Where Linden Labs made a huge mistake in my opinion was in gratuitously pandering to the Open Source bandwagon by Open Sourcing the client! What they should have done was Open Sourced the server. That way we could have had Virtual Worlds distributed across servers all over the place &#8230; umm&#8230; much like &#8230; oh yea! the ineternet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Exponential Times: Can we keep up? by Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a big change and also a big challenge for most people.

I was also reading about another blog post, which you might be interested. Nothing about education, but it says something about why it is difficult and challenging for people to understand, accept or embrace some of these ideas that seems quite different and &#039;new&#039; to what they are used to.

http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/09/probably-not-st.html

Well, there is a campus development plan going on at the moment... and do we have a virtual space on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a big change and also a big challenge for most people.</p>
<p>I was also reading about another blog post, which you might be interested. Nothing about education, but it says something about why it is difficult and challenging for people to understand, accept or embrace some of these ideas that seems quite different and &#8216;new&#8217; to what they are used to.</p>
<p><a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/09/probably-not-st.html" rel="nofollow">http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/09/probably-not-st.html</a></p>
<p>Well, there is a campus development plan going on at the moment&#8230; and do we have a virtual space on it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Medical Centre Simulation underway by Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.  I look forward to seeing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  I look forward to seeing more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Medical Centre Simulation underway by Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I&#039;ve seen these, it still looks very impressive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I&#8217;ve seen these, it still looks very impressive!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Education and Second Life by Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a place in the virtual university type facility in education. One of the problem I can see with distance learning is the lack of social interaction which simply through discussion forums can&#039;t fulfill. We are social beings. So I think 2nd life could be quite interesting for this.

So look forward to see more development here.

I think internet has different brought the world closer, especially for me anyway. Most of my closest friends and my relatives are overseas, but on a touch of a button on MSN, I can talk to them, I can &quot;see&quot; them everyday (as they are online). And I&#039;ve found A LOT of lost friends, people I know through Facebook! It&#039;s amazing!

Sometimes I wonder if brain drain only has something to do with the lack of edudcational facilities or it&#039;s the money and perceived successful life that has some impact on it, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a place in the virtual university type facility in education. One of the problem I can see with distance learning is the lack of social interaction which simply through discussion forums can&#8217;t fulfill. We are social beings. So I think 2nd life could be quite interesting for this.</p>
<p>So look forward to see more development here.</p>
<p>I think internet has different brought the world closer, especially for me anyway. Most of my closest friends and my relatives are overseas, but on a touch of a button on MSN, I can talk to them, I can &#8220;see&#8221; them everyday (as they are online). And I&#8217;ve found A LOT of lost friends, people I know through Facebook! It&#8217;s amazing!</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if brain drain only has something to do with the lack of edudcational facilities or it&#8217;s the money and perceived successful life that has some impact on it, too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Education and Second Life by Scott Diener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Diener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Wayne.  I&#039;ll pass around the link to WikiEducator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Wayne.  I&#8217;ll pass around the link to WikiEducator.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Education and Second Life by mackiwg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mackiwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great start with your blog -- look forward to reading about your reflections and discoveries.

I think you&#039;re right -- open education resources combined with the power of social software has the potential to widen access to education in meaningful ways. To quote George Bernard Shaw:

&quot;&quot;If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.&quot;

Digital knowledge which is free, is infinitely scalable and I&#039;m quite excited by the opportunities to return to the core values and purpose of education -- namely to share knowledge. In some ways the emerging world of Open Education Resources is a return to the traditions of the academy -- most notably the freedom and power to assume custodianship of knowledge and learning. 

Already these technologies are making a difference on our planet. The world now has free and unencumbered access to the largest encyclopedia created in the history of human. This is an incredible step forward especially for the 4 billion people who are under served  educationally and do not have access to textbooks. What&#039;s astounding is the fact that that it only took about 3 years to develop the largest encyclopedia and its still growing!

I do think that environments like 2nd life have a role to play in these emerging futures. Sadly, the majority of learners we are aiming to reach across the Commonwealth with WikiEducator will not have the privilege of broadband access to engage in learning on 2nd life. So we&#039;ve been focusing on developing the technology to produce customised, print-based masters of learning materials on WikiEducator. It&#039;s a start.

I&#039;d encourage resource rich institutions and academics to consider developing their teaching materials under licenses that enable users to adapt, modify and redistribute these materials. The authors will still retain their Copyright and IP rights -- but at the same time making a valuable contribution to education as a social good.

So if there are any folk in your part of the world who would like to join in this important journey -- WikiEducator will provide free training in how to do this. 

Chat to you soon.
Wayne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great start with your blog &#8212; look forward to reading about your reflections and discoveries.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right &#8212; open education resources combined with the power of social software has the potential to widen access to education in meaningful ways. To quote George Bernard Shaw:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Digital knowledge which is free, is infinitely scalable and I&#8217;m quite excited by the opportunities to return to the core values and purpose of education &#8212; namely to share knowledge. In some ways the emerging world of Open Education Resources is a return to the traditions of the academy &#8212; most notably the freedom and power to assume custodianship of knowledge and learning. </p>
<p>Already these technologies are making a difference on our planet. The world now has free and unencumbered access to the largest encyclopedia created in the history of human. This is an incredible step forward especially for the 4 billion people who are under served  educationally and do not have access to textbooks. What&#8217;s astounding is the fact that that it only took about 3 years to develop the largest encyclopedia and its still growing!</p>
<p>I do think that environments like 2nd life have a role to play in these emerging futures. Sadly, the majority of learners we are aiming to reach across the Commonwealth with WikiEducator will not have the privilege of broadband access to engage in learning on 2nd life. So we&#8217;ve been focusing on developing the technology to produce customised, print-based masters of learning materials on WikiEducator. It&#8217;s a start.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d encourage resource rich institutions and academics to consider developing their teaching materials under licenses that enable users to adapt, modify and redistribute these materials. The authors will still retain their Copyright and IP rights &#8212; but at the same time making a valuable contribution to education as a social good.</p>
<p>So if there are any folk in your part of the world who would like to join in this important journey &#8212; WikiEducator will provide free training in how to do this. </p>
<p>Chat to you soon.<br />
Wayne</p>
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